You are perpetuating this lie at your Peril. The Plame case

LL At his best:I guess my point was this:
I am confident that all of you were outraged, outraged I tell you, that Clinton lied about his sex life. It was wrong, a crime, and I said so at the time.Of course, Kerry (it has been confirmed) made a mistake and accidently referred three times to an agent whom Bolton been vicious to. It was a mistake.What Rove did was unspeakable...Was this on SNL :D

quote:Originally posted by Lewiston Liberal:
Lucille:The New York Times sent its personell to jail to protect your dirtbag leader.

BULL! They sent her to jail because she refused to obey the law and is shielding an unknown source, which by the way is not Rove.See? That's why most journalists are democrats. Like 99.9% of democrats, they believe the law is something that always applies to someone else, not them.And your calling Bush a "dirtbag leader" is proof that what I said about the NYT is true: The scumbags that run that fishwrapper hate Bush. They hate him with the same intensity you do. It's the glue that binds all you "compassionate and tolerant" liberals together.And 'personnel' is spelled with only ONE 'l', moron.[ 07-24-2005: Message edited by: Lucille ]

OK! OK! Rove did it! Rove set back the war on terrorism, what, 15 minutes? Doesn't make any difference what Plame had to do with the war on terrorism, Rove exposed her!OK, so we take him out and shoot him at sunrise. He goes off to join Breaker Morant. OK, so now what? Impeach W.? Let Hillary start early? What?So go ahead, and suppose Rove leaked/committed a crime/didn't live up to our President's high standards. Your court. :eek:

quote:Originally posted by Lucille:
...And 'personnel' is spelled with only ONE 'l', moron.[ 07-24-2005: Message edited by: Lucille ]

Uh oh... now it's getting serious!I wonder... did Rove have any misspellings? That would really frost W. :D

Really laughing... somehow I don't think "W" would give a hoot !

quote:Originally posted by IdleTickover:
Uh oh... now it's getting serious! :D

:D

I.e., this is THE most beautiful day of the year... we should all go out and enjoy it! :) :) :)

quote:And 'personnel' is spelled with only ONE 'l', moron.

Lucille, I have at times been intemperate, usually late at night. I have resorted to responding to comments like your in kind, only to be roundly criticized for doing so.I will refrain today.For the record, I have bi-lateral tendonitis which makes typing very painful at times. Nonetheless, I still do it because it is my enjoyment.Let me thank you for thoughtfully, as always, contributing to the discussion in a respectful and helpful manner.Chris.

quote:Originally posted by Lewiston Liberal:
Lucille, I have at times been intemperate, usually late at night. I have resorted to responding to comments like your in kind, only to be roundly criticized for doing so.I will refrain today.For the record, I have bi-lateral tendonitis which makes typing very painful at times. Nonetheless, I still do it because it is my enjoyment.Let me thank you for thoughtfully, as always, contributing to the discussion in a respectful and helpful manner.Chris.

Quite welcome, dear. Sorry about your bi-lateral tendonitis. I have tennis elbow, which is also very painful, but that does not impede me from spell-checking my posts.Just for the record.

Lucille you're a sweetheart :cool:

Oh, thank you, dear. :o

I hurt my Tibl...My Tibular... er..Tibyoular..my leg.....once

BothGuns,
Are you doing your Teddy Kennedy impression in that reply? :D
(Or is it Foster Brooks...er, um, hic!...nevah mind...same person really!)

Ted and Bill never intentionally broke the trust of the CIA and it's operatives for petty political revenge. The absolutists in the Black House are swaggering now. As they become more transparent they just keep ascending into aloofness, or should I say descending.

Are you kidding?The drunken swimmer practically destroyed American intelligence.That's one of the reasons Bill Clinton thought Saddam Hussein possessed nuclear weapons.

Look, LL.I understand why you want to keep dragging this issue out through the dirt. It's slinging mud at the opponents. Just come to the facts:If rove committed a crime, he'll be fired. Straight out, I gurantee that the President wouldn't want a criminal working for him.. now please don't start a quote war with me, because you and I both know that the President never said "I'm going to fire anyone who leaks." Sure, he answered questions from reporters, but it's easy to put words in someone's mouth when questions like these are being asked. Now, assuming the Rove is innocent of any crime, (which you clearly are not doing by dragging this issue out further) it would only be responsible to wait until the investigation goes further along and can provide us with some facts. Because These allegations that the Dems are putting out there have very little backbone to them.If the man committed a crime, then hell, let him rot in Jail. If the man's crime has a negative impact on our country, then let him have that cloud over his head for the rest of his life. But you are completely undermining our Justice system by jumping to conclusions like this. Be reasonable, I know you have it in that liberal brain of yours somewhere ;)[ 07-24-2005: Message edited by: Brent Bowen ]

nascar sneered, posted 07-23-2005 06:02 PM
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Oh how I grow tired - sick and tired - of Chris and the rest of you bed wetting liberals being unable to deal with the fact that you lost the election.
Not only did you lose the election, you are losing the public debate on every major issue and along with the debate you lose the public support and opinion.
----------------Yeah, and how is Social Security Reform doing? Is that a big smash hit with the public?

Brent:First, let me thank you for your decent tone - it shows people can disagree without being insulting.Second, we do disagree. I do think in fact the president actually meant that anyone involved - involved mind - in the leak would be fired. And I think that's the right standard. I also believe that the facts we know - as presented by Cooper, Novak and Rove's attorney - show something deeply aweful happened. Something we should never condone. Rove is a smart man. If Plame was high enough to authorize Wilson's trip, then he knew full well it would simply be a bad idea to discuss her with the press. Its simply wrong and there's no way else to spin it. Rove is a damage control master. His sole puspose was to engage damage control from Wilson's op-ed.I think it out slimes anything Clinton did - and i didn't condone or cover for the filanderer's actions.This should not and will not go away. Its too important.And with republican CIA officers coming out criticizing the man they voted for, it only gets hotter.chris.

That's a 9.1 on the snore factor scale.

Chris, you aren't suggesting this is bigger than the Burgar burglary?

DLC founder Al From said Sunday that "Democrats hoping to return to power nationally and in Ohio can't count on scandal or Republican failures but must boldly offer a clear agenda that voters can support," the Columbus Dispatch reports. "'I think what this party needs more than anything else is a big dose of courage,'" From said

Henry; I agree completely. We can't win without an agenda and we don't have one.No, I thing the Burger-burglary is infinately less of a big deal - in the one a doofus takes old documents out of the archive, in the other decades of CIA assets may have been compromised.Which do you think is worse? Chris.

And how do you know that those documents didnt put our National Security at risk?

I have never heard what documents Burger removed. If you know for sure, please share. I would love to know.

quote:Originally posted by ksherwoodf:
nascar sneered, posted 07-23-2005 06:02 PM
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Oh how I grow tired - sick and tired - of Chris and the rest of you bed wetting liberals being unable to deal with the fact that you lost the election.
Not only did you lose the election, you are losing the public debate on every major issue and along with the debate you lose the public support and opinion.
----------------Yeah, and how is Social Security Reform doing? Is that a big smash hit with the public?

This is your idea of a victory, the perpetuation of this Ponzi scheme which would get people in the private sector jailed? This you celebrate, that your demagoguery has so far prevented reform? Social Security taxes don't go into a retirement system, they come into the parasitical grasp of politicians to be doled out for various worthy projects such as bombers, junkets, art involving bodily fluids, etc. and some of it is used to pay benefits to current retirees. When people realize how badly they've been shafted by the Social Security system [and more of them are discovering this truth every day] the Dems will pay a heavy price. Their position on Social Security reform will spell the death of the Demagogue Party.[ 07-25-2005: Message edited by: Mike Travers ]

quote:Originally posted by Lewiston Liberal:
Henry; I agree completely. We can't win without an agenda and we don't have one.No, I thing the Burger-burglary is infinately less of a big deal - in the one a doofus takes old documents out of the archive, in the other decades of CIA assets may have been compromised.Which do you think is worse? Chris.

Chris, there is zero evidence that any assets were compromised. Plame had been outed by the Russians and the Cubans, long before this happened. She had not been in the field for almost 10 years. There is zero evidence that Rove was the "original" source of the leak, or that he even knew that she had ever been "covert".Novak did not get Plames name from Rove. He got it confirmed by the CIA. I maintain that it was someone in the State Dept. who leaked the information - Fitzgerald seems focused (if on anything) with who saw that memo and when. One thing to ponder. Miller (who is in jail) wrote extensively about WMD's. Plame was a WMD expert. Was Plame, Miller's source for her articles? If so, was she privy to the relationship between Plame and Wilson? If so, did she tell anyone? Why is she sitting in jail? Go back to the State connection above. Wilson was a career diplomat (State). Wilson married to Plame (CIA). Miller fits in here somewhere. Kerry actually named an agent three times publically, that agent was covert at the time. Who has comitted a larger problem? Get a grip will ya. Al

But Al, Kerry is a Democrat and he didn't mean to "out" a covert agent. He didn't do it with malice in his heart, unlike Rove who must have been malicious because he's a Republican.

I keep trying to put a ribbon around this to neaten it up, but vigilant slueths like LL and Dr. Enuff keep uncovering new and revealing details, making this the page-turner of the long, hot summer.What ARE people reading on the beach this year?!The NY Times sends their own reporter to jail in a valiant attempt to protect the President's right-hand man... Leggy blonde Valerie Plame, covert seductress and a CIA "higher up" wins dashing and hard-drinking hubby a free trip to Niger with the motive of discrediting the administration's claim of a terrorist trade in yellow cake mix...Finally, out of frustration the CIA themselves begin to reveal the names of their own top super secret agents in a last ditch effort to... to...ahh, read it yourself. Enjoy the beach!

quote:Originally posted by Enough:
Ted and Bill never intentionally broke the trust of the CIA and it's operatives for petty political revenge. The absolutists in the Black House are swaggering now. As they become more transparent they just keep ascending into aloofness, or should I say descending.

That is BS, they constantly sold out the intel services. They voted for the Church Commission 'reforms' that led directly 911. They either cut or tried to cut intel funding so often that their antics became a cliche.Good heavens sir, have your forgot the 70's and 80's completly. Remember all the agents that got outed during the temper tantrum over the iran-Contra debacle?Those two were all over the press leaking details of the agents and schemes involved.Geeze, what convenient memories.